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and good evening everyone welcome back

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to arcane radio our first show of 2017.

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of course i'm sean the fork chop forker

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if you've been following us for a long

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time if you haven't welcome to the

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program

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uh of course i'm joined tonight by my

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esteemed colleagues

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mr lon strickler the ever man over at

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phantomsandmonsters.com

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admit your mr butch watkowski from the

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pennsylvania ufo research center

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gentlemen welcome for

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welcome back to the program and thanks

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for joining us i'm a little rusty

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yeah we got to get our seat legs back

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with us you know um

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here's the swimming pool yeah we are

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finally back after two weeks of playing

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around

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but uh nothing ever goes like we planned

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so like as much as we'd like to be back

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live

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like it's always you know it's it's hard

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when you've got three guys and schedules

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and everything else and

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uh yeah like we're back by cbs so

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no no it isn't but um

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no things happen and uh you know well

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we're back

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anyhow

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boy that's a train yeah that's my train

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nice that's what i had to listen to

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every hour almost

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wow yeah

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i thought that was something paranormal

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for a second i was like what the hell

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was that

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yeah we i've got a train and i've got

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traffic out front and

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uh that's what you do when you live in

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an old house you hear everything

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that's true butch how you doing my man

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been a while

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uh busy ufos picked up

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yep keeping us stepping uh some

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paranormal stuff our crooked buddy up

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there wherever he's at

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and a new cryptid that popped up and um

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uh just a lot of stuff at one time a new

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crypt did you say tell me about this

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well i mean you're talking about you're

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talking about the one oh you're talking

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about that the candid yeah yeah

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yeah that was something came in to me um

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it was uh actually just north of

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tuscarora state forest

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this guy was uh hunting for deer

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this was on december 3rd which was a

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saturday morning

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uh he had a tree stand and it was on the

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edge of a large field

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and he said he'd been hunting there

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about 20 years

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bagged a couple of deer there

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he said he saw something that morning he

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couldn't explain it was about

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7 10 a.m just turning light

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and he noticed a few deer in the

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distance running toward the

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state forest so i he said he looked

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through his scope and saw what he

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thought were too coyote following the

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but these coyote didn't look right they

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were larger and almost look like

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wolves so about 15 minutes later

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he said he was watching a buck about 600

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yards south of him in the open field

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when it bolted and toward the trees

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he then saw a large dog-like animal he

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said it was

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slowly walking or stalking so he wasn't

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but it was headed in his direction uh he

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and it soon knows to him the tree stand

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it stopped and looked at him for a few

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and started walking towards him it was

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a hundred yards or so from him and they

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he started hearing it growling

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instead of one of the dog our coyote he

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said he reminded him of a wolf but he

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said the back was arched

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and the head was huge uh the fur was

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and the legs were eyed with sparse hair

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so i thought about shooting it but

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something told me not to

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he said i was shaking also he said this

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animal really scared me

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he said once again stopped moving and

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he said the face was that of a wolf but

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the snout was shorter than

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any wolf photo he had ever seen he said

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almost like those of a human he said

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it says something caught its attention

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state and stand for another hour

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he said he reached his car he took off

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but he didn't seem to care so he uh

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he said he got my website my guy church

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you know i did talk to the guy he didn't

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really add a whole lot he said you know

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the arch back though is what intrigued

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and he told me i'll finally kind of

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remind him of how like a hyenas back

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how the backside kind of looks lower

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and uh the back is arched uh

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you know it's interesting because stan

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gordon called me and he's gotten

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and i put out his 2016 report today

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and uh he got two sidings since that one

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of uh similar type of

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i mean several type of wolves

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uh these the one he said may look like

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may have been a coy wolf

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but the other one he wasn't sure about

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butch is still with us

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you're there one yeah oh there we go

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now we got you wow anyway uh

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no i i think uh the thing is disturbing

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you know he had a clear shot at it

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that's for sure and then something told

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not to shoot so

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what is that connection there that we

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have with every other report we have of

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the bipedal canine where people are told

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to get out of dodge

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or they have weapons in their hand and

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that happens i mean we you get those uh

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we do get witnesses that tell us that

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so yeah so is it something that's

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being relayed telepathically or

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i i doubt very much imagination

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i mean the guy's 100 yards off with a

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high-powered rifle

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i mean he could have took out anything

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and he something something told him not

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shoot or did something else tell him not

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psychological going on there

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it could be i'm hearing this a lot with

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uh folks that

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are experiencing something out of the

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ordinary they see something they can't

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explain and they have a weapon in their

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i was talking to mike freeman uh the son

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of uh

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legendary bigfoot tracker paul freeman

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who took the freeman film

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or a freeman video i guess it's not

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really a film but

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that's neither here no there uh and you

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made a claim and at his point back in

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the day that

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when he experienced this he also

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uh was unable like something told him

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to leave it alone and go away

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and perhaps there's something to it

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rather there's some

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and i hate to say this as i roll my eyes

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thinking it albeit mind speak or maybe

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something somebody listening to their

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own better angels

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you know they don't know what kind of

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being a beast this is

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they just don't know how it's going to

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react to a gunshot

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and uh i mean if it's big enough

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and you hear this with bigfoot people

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say they had a shop and they didn't take

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well you know if you're walking around

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with a shotgun yeah i mean

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i wouldn't shoot that one with a shotgun

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i don't know if you had slugs or

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something but then again you just still

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had to be fairly close

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so i don't know i mean i you know of

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had that experience but i don't know i

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you know i would think that you know you

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have a high powered weapon in your hand

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whether it be a pistol or rifle

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it could cross your mind that you know

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like i could shoot the whole clip

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and this thing is going to keep coming

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then what do i do

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so maybe i just don't shoot and just

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i don't know i guess you have to be able

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to trust your own shot too because if

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hot lunch and i don't know

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yeah well that's true well he

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you know he was looking at it through a

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scope and i mean this thing

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this thing really scared him so i uh you

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seen these things that has got an

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encounter with it

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really has their hackles go up with it

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because they're just

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so i don't know it kind of reminds them

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of werewolf or something that's

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they don't you know that they've heard

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about in horror movies and they just

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don't want anything to do with it

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and um you know so i don't know

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i don't know either yeah what else we

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got there's got to be some other things

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going on out there we've been off for a

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while so

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you've had some crazy [\h__\h] come through

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i mean oh i have had a lot of stuff

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coming in

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um i had a thing the other day about

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uh bks infesting

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lakota reservation up and the pine ridge

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indian reservation

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the lakota reservation in south

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um dakota that's black-eyed kids right

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investigation in the shamanic group on

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the pine ridge indian reservation

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was called in to investigate and bless a

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okay now the instance began when two

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sisters observed a black-eyed boy

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outside the house or

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home or hogan or whatever it was they

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children with black eyes were seen

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congregating around

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the property in an attempt to interact

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with the other children

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living around there the first two

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occasions there were only two of them

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and they asked to be let inside the

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house to get food

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the third time a third be k

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showed up and this time they asked for

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blood

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what they were never granted access to

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the house the children described their

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voice

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as not normal robotic and monotone

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pets were also went missing around this

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time around the property

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the parents of the children also

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recalled seeing the children

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they also claim to have noticed strange

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events around their home including

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poltergeist activity in the sighting of

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on at least two occasions

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strange entities that they later thought

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were alien

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is there precedent for that in these

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black-eyed kids encounters is asking for

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did you say a bowl of blood just ask for

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blood ask for blood

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nice that's you know tasteful

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um david weatherly put up put this

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up on his website and uh

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he i mean i posted and commented that it

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was that was unusual

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and you know i you know for the like me

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i don't know

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how really how you can describe these

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these these kids

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i mean there are people who do say that

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well then they look like vampires well

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you know that's

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that's neither here or there but then

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again

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if somebody comes up to you and asks for

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blood

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and they they look like a vampire and

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there's something that seems to be wrong

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with them

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i mean he could kind of i guess it would

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make you think a bit

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well now come on this is the the year

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2017.

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uh it was just not too long ago we have

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people doing bath salts eating people's

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faces off in the

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street in the middle of the day so oh

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yeah if somebody comes up to me and asks

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for some blood i'm probably gonna haul

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off and

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pump them and then get the f out of d if

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you you know what i'm saying like i

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i'm not gonna mess around who the hell

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comes up and asks for some blood hey can

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you can i have some blood buddy

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you mind red cross you got a pint to

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spare yeah but you

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still most of the time but you got to go

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to a van for that of course you know

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players around he has a van of his own

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and

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every time every lawn brings up big eks

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i go check my front door to make sure

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it's locked

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[Laughter]

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yeah i know i'm like upstairs i don't

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want to go downstairs carry a product

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carry a cattle prod with you too jeez at

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least

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i'm going to tell you i mean you know

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now you know all the early be cas that

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we heard about and i'm talking about

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four or five years ago and before that

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it was always about kids

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black eyed kids coming to the door and

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asking to be let in

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now all of a sudden we've got these

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we've got black-eyed

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older black-eyed people and all kinds of

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i don't know even race different races

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and uh they're roaming all over the damn

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place i mean it's not just people coming

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to the you know kids coming to the door

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it's all kind of situation look at them

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uh

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jack harry had out at on the reservation

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oh about the uh the lady and i think it

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was in miami where they were coming

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to her second floor uh balcony wind

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uh sliding glass door yeah that's just

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horrifying

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yeah yeah

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well you know i i've had my

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share of a few odd things dude

385
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since we uh were on the radio i had the

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um

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i had some type of anti-attack at the

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hospital

389
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oh wow yeah it was kind of weird i was

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um

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i was in there a thursday

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before the last two weeks ago thursday

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two weeks ago

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and i was getting tests for uh my

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surgery tomorrow

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so um you know i'm in there you know i

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went to the hospital and uh

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was at the pre-surgery testing

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area and i uh checked right checked in

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so i'm just waiting for the nurse to

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come

402
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so i sat there and you know i it was

403
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weird because i experienced a flash of

404
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pink and light

405
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green color in my mind's eye and

406
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i've i've mentioned this before i

407
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usually sense this color combination

408
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when there's a strong spirit energy near

409
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me

410
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i don't know i can't explain it it's

411
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just something that happens to me

412
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uh after this happened it kind of

413
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stunned me then suddenly i sensed the

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presence of a female spirit

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and at the same time i felt increasing

416
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um you know in fact i had the sensation

417
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something was wrapped around my neck and

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pressing hard on my throat

419
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i wasn't gagging but it was

420
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uncomfortable

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and it lasted for about 10 seconds we

422
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stopped

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now there were there was other people

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sitting there i don't know if they

425
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noticed me

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uh because i you know i tried not to you

427
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:46,320
know

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flip out so i gained my bearings and

429
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:53,120
attempted to pick up on the energy

430
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:55,199
responsible for the attack but i i just

431
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didn't sense anything else

432
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:58,000
it could have been so physical it wasn't

433
00:17:02,790 --> 00:16:59,920
blood sugar or anything long or just

434
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no you knew it was just something yeah

435
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:04,640
it was just something

436
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:07,520
yeah i mean and i sensed it too you know

437
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,360
and uh a few months later

438
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i was calling to the examination room

439
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,880
and the um

440
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:15,039
nurse was asking me a few questions and

441
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,240
then she looked at me and

442
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,400
asked where'd you get those marks in

443
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your throat

444
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:22,079
and i stood up and i walked over to the

445
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mirror

446
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:25,120
and sure enough there were red marks in

447
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:27,280
my lower throat

448
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,600
pictures on the blog

449
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:33,520
anyway you know this isn't the first

450
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,640
time

451
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,720
that i've been subjected to physic you

452
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,320
know to an entity or

453
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,400
psychic no i remember the scratches i i

454
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,320
i showed you

455
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:44,240
with them yeah that's that's the cards i

456
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,440
mean yeah and uh

457
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,360
but it's usually if i'm doing a clearing

458
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,960
session

459
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,200
or involved in a remote view or

460
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,039
something where i'm actually doing

461
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,600
something not just sitting around in a

462
00:18:02,710 --> 00:17:59,360
hospital now

463
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,720
granted hospitals are notorious for the

464
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,280
presence of various earthbound

465
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:07,919
entities um you know any other location

466
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,799
where people pass waves gonna happen

467
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:13,280
so uh but hospitals are notorious for

468
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:15,840
that they're also the toys for

469
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:18,880
pretty strong portals i mean

470
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,760
we have sensed them before in hospitals

471
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,280
and i talked to people who've had them

472
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you know since as well

473
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i mean the fact that people have um

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you know go into a surgery and you know

475
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and or especially if they've got a

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surgery where

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it's an emergency it's life-threatening

478
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and they talk about these near-death

479
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experiences and out-of-body experiences

480
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:43,360
it does happen and at least

481
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:46,480
it kind of does lead a person vulnerable

482
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for

483
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any type of malevolency that may be

484
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hanging around

485
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,480
um so you know

486
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you know i kind of post this i mean

487
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posted as a warning that you know

488
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i ask people to protect themselves when

489
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,679
they you know go in these type of

490
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situations especially

491
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in places like a hospital funeral home

492
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cemeteries anywhere where these

493
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spirits me that you know that they may

494
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be around

495
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so um well i'm sorry you had to go

496
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:19,200
through that

497
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:22,720
that's yeah that was uh i didn't expect

498
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,280
that but

499
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,880
you know you never know stuff like that

500
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:27,280
does happen and it does happen to me

501
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and um and you know that and

502
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so well i've seen it i mean i've not

503
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:33,760
seen you physically attack but i've seen

504
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:34,080
the

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repercussions of um

506
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head down my belly that one time uh

507
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:43,600
when we're up in gettysburg i mean this

508
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:45,039
isn't new i mean we've been friends for

509
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,240
a while now we've been

510
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,640
yeah colleagues for a while now and i've

511
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:50,720
seen you subjected to some pretty

512
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,400
interesting uh uh some physical results

513
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,640
from some interesting situations so

514
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,720
it happens and i it's not just solely

515
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,400
you right there's other folks out there

516
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,149
these uh physical attacks by non-visible

517
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,679
entities and

518
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,919
entities whatever you want to whatever

519
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:13,840
you want to call them so

520
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,960
oh i don't know it's it's

521
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part of the deal i mean you know when

522
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,360
you get when you do this

523
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,600
whether you you know you want to or not

524
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:25,360
or you know if you

525
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:28,640
etheral attacks are they do happen

526
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so well i wish i could say that my time

527
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,840
away has been as eventful as use and and

528
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,039
butches uh

529
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,440
my english is so great too very tired

530
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,640
bear with me

531
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,400
it's been a traumatic week you know i

532
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:45,679
you know i guess the only thing that's

533
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:46,400
uh

534
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:50,320
turns 14 tomorrow

535
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,679
uh i told him butch i said uh 14.

536
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:56,080
like where's the time go it's not fair

537
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:57,890
we don't get them long enough it's

538
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,840
[Music]

539
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,200
it sucks and without getting all

540
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,120
sentimental and

541
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,039
dad-like on our listeners who are here

542
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:07,039
to talk about paranormal things

543
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,400
uh you know i guess the only thing

544
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,559
paranormal in my life is aging and

545
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,400
we gotta all get used to that at some

546
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,919
point another but it's been

547
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,640
very dead for me no bigfoot reports no

548
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,720
paranormal reports coming in i

549
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,320
i thought folks forgot about me for a

550
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,400
while but i'm glad that

551
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,400
you're which i'm not complaining about

552
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,559
it's not like i had the time

553
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,000
the extra time to deal with that you

554
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,240
know i started uh and i'm working with

555
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,480
uh pennsylvania sasquatch research

556
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:35,520
facebook group uh and my buddy maz adams

557
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,000
and i

558
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,080
and formerly dave groves have a podcast

559
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,440
called the nocturnal journal

560
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,360
something semi-regular nothing like this

561
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,280
it's gonna be weekly

562
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,880
and we talked to cliff barrickman a

563
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,720
couple weeks ago and uh well actually

564
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,080
about a month ago

565
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and then over the weekend uh mazz and i

566
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,240
spoke to

567
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,320
uh mike freeman again the son of paul

568
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,000
freeman and uh

569
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,679
what a conversation i haven't laughed

570
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,440
that hard in my life

571
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,520
most of which you folks won't hear there

572
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,440
is an edited and an unedited version of

573
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,480
the program

574
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,320
and for legal reasons i'm pretty sure

575
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,000
you will never hear the unedited version

576
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,760
but i assure you anybody who knows me

577
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,960
personally

578
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,039
uh knows i have a tendency to get a

579
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,960
little out of control sometimes and that

580
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,720
was one of those situations and by god

581
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,159
was it funny

582
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,400
but uh it would definitely make my

583
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,559
mother blush so we're not gonna

584
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,520
put that on the radio uh that being said

585
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,400
um

586
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,240
that's about it for me it's it's it's

587
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,600
just been kind of

588
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,720
kind of quiet and i got a lot of books

589
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,640
to read i mean lon you keep piling up

590
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,480
our guests and

591
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,480
yeah i wish we could have a guest that

592
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,080
would write a who the hell tells these

593
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
people they have to write books that are

594
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,039
like 300 pages long

595
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:45,120
can anybody write a short book like a

596
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,400
picture book

597
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:49,280
or something for crying out loud like i

598
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,159
see

599
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,840
like the one like the one we're going to

600
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,520
talk about tonight quite frankly

601
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,679
that's that's a perfect size book really

602
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,880
yeah it really is

603
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:59,120
i see shannon rose in the chat room and

604
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,320
uh you know she's the

605
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,159
host over at into the fray radio

606
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:04,000
fantastic podcast one of my favorites

607
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,280
for anybody else who

608
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:07,120
wants a show to listen to i love that

609
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,320
program

610
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,240
uh you know she reads an awful lot of

611
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,520
books too and i just don't know where

612
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,480
the and you

613
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:14,000
and i i don't know where the hell you

614
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,280
guys find the time to read these books i

615
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,039
need to get them on tape

616
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,039
uh because there's a lot of them and

617
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,440
they're so big

618
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,799
hell the one guy we were going to have

619
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:24,720
on the program his bibliography was like

620
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,310
ah man yeah that's right i mean

621
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,960
we do get some long ones but uh you know

622
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,320
that's

623
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,720
it's a lot of information for some of

624
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:41,760
these subjects

625
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,480
uh especially the ones we don't know

626
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:46,000
anything about then we gotta read all of

627
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,880
it but

628
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,559
you know that's the way it goes you know

629
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:50,799
we did but you know we did have

630
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,080
one inquiry come in with keystone

631
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,360
um keystone bigfoot project the

632
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,000
thing down by the waynesboro uh

633
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,000
reservoir that did come in didn't it and

634
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:03,679
but yeah we had a

635
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,039
gentleman and his wife uh

636
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,760
heard all kinds of crazy sounds coming

637
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,039
from down there

638
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,520
it's an area that's uh well i don't know

639
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,240
it's about maybe

640
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,039
oh 10 miles south of route 30 by

641
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:20,720
caledonia state

642
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,000
clark uh it's near the

643
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,360
waynesboro reservoir which is infamous

644
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:29,600
for the uh

645
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,480
the bigfoot track from when was that

646
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:37,679
oh that was early in the 2000s

647
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,360
yeah yeah that was that was a big deal

648
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:44,640
back then and uh 2004 maybe i want to

649
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,360
say about

650
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,600
about that time i could be off a year or

651
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,480
two but

652
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,480
uh i think they were found were they

653
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,390
i don't you know i don't know i i don't

654
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,000
know i i

655
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,720
i still really can't make a judgment on

656
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,919
that

657
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,480
though there has been bigfoot activity

658
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,440
in that area

659
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,440
oh yeah well we know from from what's

660
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,960
been going on the last couple of years

661
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,440
that that southern area of pa

662
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,679
really picking up with the activity and

663
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,640
yeah

664
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,559
uh it's just sporadic though like

665
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:18,320
there's and it's been that way with the

666
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,360
whole damn state

667
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,760
that you know it was in the past that

668
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,360
you know everything was coming in from

669
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,039
that uh southwestern part of

670
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,400
pennsylvania

671
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,720
um and then it kind of exploded all over

672
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,159
the state and now it's

673
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,559
here there it's piecemealed across the

674
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,159
state there's no real

675
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,400
i mean let's be honest we've had more

676
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,559
consistency with these uh

677
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,320
upright canine cryptids than we have

678
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,000
with with the bigfoot this year

679
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,559
last year yeah yeah yeah i mean in terms

680
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,440
of

681
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:48,640
sightings it is i mean it is but

682
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,520
man it's getting it's getting hard to uh

683
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,279
you know nail down a pattern which is

684
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,799
you know i'm a pattern person i'd like

685
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,320
to see if we can maybe there is not a

686
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,000
pattern to it i don't know

687
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,600
i don't know but of course you know for

688
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,039
our folks who are turning in tonight

689
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,880
they want to hear about our guest

690
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,799
uh mr lyle blackburn we're going to have

691
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:07,200
lyle on to talk about his book monstro

692
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,320
bizarro

693
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:10,720
uh of course the boggy creek documentary

694
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,360
that he

695
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,200
and my good friend seth breedlove and

696
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:15,919
the genset uh small town monsters

697
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:19,520
uh put out amazing isn't it fantastic i

698
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,919
mean

699
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,760
visually gorgeous i can't say enough

700
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,279
about it and of course they're now

701
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:24,960
working on a mothman

702
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,679
uh documentary together as well uh and

703
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,799
i'm really excited about that i

704
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,240
kickstart all these and of course the

705
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,520
kickstarter will be up i believe

706
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,679
february first or february 2nd

707
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,840
if you go to facebook.com and search

708
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,480
small town monsters you'll be able to

709
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,240
find all the information to

710
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,480
get geared up for that and i've been

711
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,840
very pleased

712
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,520
with the quality of productions they put

713
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,200
out i've never been disappointed i know

714
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,440
seth i know how hard he works

715
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,440
and uh how diligent he is about putting

716
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,200
out a quality product

717
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,000
uh same with lyle and uh if you folks

718
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,840
you know want to be part of uh something

719
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,240
special and something

720
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,000
i always say historic you know kick

721
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,840
start these projects they do them

722
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,039
justice

723
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,799
there's not a lot of fluff they tell it

724
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,120
how it is the stories are

725
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,960
as told by the witnesses they're

726
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,559
visually appealing and

727
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,520
you know they just rock and i can't say

728
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,320
enough

729
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,679
good things about you know i have some

730
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,279
very talented friends i'm very proud of

731
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,000
them

732
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,720
uh and whenever i have good people in my

733
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,720
life that do some fantastic work

734
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:27,039
i can't uh i cannot help myself but

735
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,000
share it

736
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:31,200
and lon you what wha uh you watched it

737
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,080
today

738
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,240
uh yeah you know exactly how good it is

739
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:36,480
like yeah it is it's really good i mean

740
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,120
uh

741
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,679
a lot of the denier narration as well

742
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,200
and uh

743
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:45,120
oh it is it's it's an excellent

744
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:49,200
film yeah it is and i i can't wait to

745
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:50,000
see what they're going to do with

746
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,640
mothman

747
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:52,320
you know after i smoke more cigarettes

748
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,840
and drink some scotch maybe i can get

749
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,399
into the narration business

750
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,960
i don't smoke but uh the scotch i'm a

751
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,200
fan of so maybe we can get more of that

752
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,200
and you know just improve that voice a

753
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,640
little bit uh but

754
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,880
about do you have his bio upload do you

755
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,480
want to read it you want me yes i do

756
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,520
um you know while lyle

757
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,240
of course is an author musician crypto

758
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,520
researcher

759
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,679
from texas the investigative crypto

760
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,279
zoology books

761
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,679
the uh the beast of boggy creek and

762
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,440
lizardman reflect his lifelong

763
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,039
fascination

764
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,120
with legends inside of reports of

765
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,799
real-life monsters

766
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:31,120
during his research lyle has often

767
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,000
explored

768
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,159
the remote reaches of the southern u.s

769
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,880
in search of shattered creatures said to

770
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,720
inhabit the dense backwoods

771
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,080
and swamps of these areas lyle served as

772
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,760
a consulting producer and special

773
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,200
episode host

774
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:47,200
for the tv show monsters and mysteries

775
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,240
in america

776
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,880
and was featured in the documentary film

777
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,399
boggy creek monster

778
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,880
he recently wrote monster brazzaro an

779
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,480
essential manual

780
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:59,039
of mysterious monsters which can be

781
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:00,320
found on his website

782
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:04,000
at lowbackblackburn.com

783
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,720
and he as well has a new book coming out

784
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:11,679
february 1st titled beyond boggy creek

785
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,120
in search of the southern sasquatch

786
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,720
so uh i guess we'll be back with uh

787
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,120
with la blackburn we'll be right back

788
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,480
it's gonna go quiet for a little bit

789
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:24,559
smoke them if you got them

790
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,640
we'll be back and welcome back folks

791
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,480
arcane radio sean forker launch

792
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,080
strickler butch witkowski

793
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,279
and our special guest mr lyle blackburn

794
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,799
lyle thanks for taking the time out to

795
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,880
join us tonight

796
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,440
hey guys no problem good to be here and

797
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,640
uh we got a copy right here on my desk

798
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,039
of monstro bizarro what a beautiful

799
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,640
piece of work and not just from the

800
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:50,559
content but it just looks stunning

801
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,240
it's a fantastic piece oh thanks yeah

802
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:57,279
they do some good uh graphically visual

803
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,919
layouts

804
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,240
uh room org so i was really excited when

805
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,200
i saw the

806
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,760
the end product of that so yeah a fun

807
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,039
kind of a fun book to

808
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,279
work on yeah i don't know where you find

809
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,559
the time to work on all these books

810
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,000
you're a busy man

811
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,600
you got your hands in just about every

812
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,520
form of media you can

813
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,240
uh involving cryptids you uh you wrapped

814
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,919
up boggy creek monster which

815
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:20,000
was fantastic by the way i can't say

816
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:21,279
good enough things about it your

817
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,000
experience with that

818
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,360
was seemed to be a very good experience

819
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,000
oh yeah i really enjoyed working on that

820
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,159
and of course you know i thought that

821
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,200
small town monsters and seth you know

822
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,640
had the right approach to those

823
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,240
kind of documentaries i've been

824
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,320
approached before but just kind of shied

825
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:40,320
away but i thought those guys

826
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,600
you know they could really do it right

827
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,360
let the witnesses tell the story so it

828
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,279
was a lot of fun to

829
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,679
you know work on that and take them down

830
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,960
to the area

831
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,520
and get all the filming done and and it

832
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,640
you know turned out really

833
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,840
really good and we've had a great

834
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,399
response so it was very good experience

835
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,440
yeah and i guess you're going to be

836
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:00,320
working with them on the new mothman

837
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:04,240
documentary coming out yeah that i think

838
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,039
you know we

839
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,080
apparently had a you know a great uh

840
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,880
collaboration as far as working on boggy

841
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,480
creek monsters so they wanted to

842
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,240
continue that and bring me in

843
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,120
in some some form on the others you know

844
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,760
while you know i won't appear on film as

845
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:21,600
i did in boggy creek i still

846
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,880
uh would be involved in you know just uh

847
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,279
the decisions and helping to write the

848
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,360
script for the narration and things like

849
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,399
that so you know

850
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
i'm excited about that as well well i

851
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,320
think part of the thing that made uh

852
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,600
part of the elements that made boggy

853
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:38,080
creek so good was uh your narration was

854
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,279
very good we just talked about that

855
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,279
briefly before we came back on the air

856
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,679
but you really did uh really did the

857
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,000
movie justice i thought it was a great

858
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,240
part besides the music it was one of the

859
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:50,080
elements that really brought the

860
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:53,919
the uh film to life it was well done

861
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,279
yeah thank you yeah it was uh you know

862
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:59,279
it's a learning curve on the narration

863
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,320
i'd done

864
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,559
a tv episode on monsters and mysteries

865
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,240
in america where they did the blackburn

866
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,640
files and i narrated that and

867
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,480
obviously i sing in a band so i've had

868
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,279
some experience in it but really

869
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,120
once i got to boggy creek you know this

870
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:15,039
was something that i could really

871
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,320
uh you know work on in

872
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:21,039
and make it my own and of course it is

873
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:21,760
actually

874
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,080
very close to my to my heart and home so

875
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,120
it was something that i i thought uh

876
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,679
came out very well in the end and

877
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,440
and when i watched it i thought it it

878
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:35,519
went well with the you know with the

879
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,399
film so i was happy i completely agree

880
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,880
yeah you know i'm going to ask you lyle

881
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,080
um

882
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,159
now i know you have been investigating

883
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:47,919
the uh

884
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,200
the the boggy creek monster for a long

885
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,039
time well you know they gave you a bit

886
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:54,640
of a biography

887
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,640
in the film um did you run across any

888
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,159
new witnesses while you were doing a

889
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,149
uh it seems like every time i go up

890
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,080
there that you know i hear

891
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,240
something from somebody some tidbits

892
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,840
here and there they don't always turn

893
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:13,039
out to be

894
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:16,799
uh you know lengthy sightings or

895
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:20,000
necessarily good sightings but it seems

896
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,440
like every time i'm up there

897
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,240
i hear something new and of course uh

898
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,000
you know i do come across

899
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:29,360
new very credible very uh substantial

900
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:30,559
sightings

901
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,919
you know every every year they they

902
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,200
you know they they pile up so definitely

903
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:39,200
there wasn't anything necessarily new

904
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,640
that we found while we were working on

905
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,320
the film you know all the

906
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,519
the witnesses that we presented there

907
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,840
were ones that i had already interviewed

908
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,880
and had

909
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,480
you know thought these are the folks

910
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,799
that have you know what i consider the

911
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,399
best stories and

912
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:56,240
uh the people that would even agree to

913
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,440
talk i mean there's

914
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,960
there's a number of witnesses down there

915
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:01,360
that just you know they just don't want

916
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,159
to

917
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,600
appear on camera and and uh it's it's

918
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,440
you know i respect that privacy so

919
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,760
there's a lot of them that you don't see

920
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,839
and then some i can include in my books

921
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,599
that you know you just can't

922
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,919
include everybody in the film so

923
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:17,760
definitely it's always a

924
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,280
growing investigation

925
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:24,560
it was an excellent film i um and i

926
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,480
i repeat what sean says um

927
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,040
seth does a fantastic job with these

928
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,639
cryptid films and uh yeah moth

929
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,240
man i i can just imagine what that's

930
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,079
gonna be like i uh

931
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,079
and since the mothman is my favorite

932
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,599
crypt that i don't know if anybody knows

933
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:42,720
that but it is i

934
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:48,240
uh i'm looking forward to that um yeah

935
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:48,639
you know

936
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,079
and this monster bizarro book i tell you

937
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,280
i i was really surprised

938
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,920
how good it was when i started going

939
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,640
through it

940
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,680
i um i in fact i put it on my on my

941
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:03,359
notable list

942
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,040
for for books uh it's it really is one

943
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,720
of my new favorite books

944
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,280
it's got the the detail and the way that

945
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,119
it's presented

946
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,720
uh and in the variety as well it's just

947
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,599
it's really good i mean you just don't

948
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,800
see a lot of that

949
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,560
in in a crypt you know when you when you

950
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:23,839
got buy a book

951
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,599
that's got listings of cryptids in it

952
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,000
it you know it's kind of a bland you

953
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,760
know it's kind of a bland presentation

954
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,119
for the most part

955
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:36,640
but you know this with the artwork in

956
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:36,960
the

957
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,440
it really is uh it really is a

958
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:49,680
spectacular and

959
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,599
very different type of presentation

960
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,680
yeah yeah i think i just want to tell

961
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,079
you that that that it

962
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,359
it is one of my new favorite books

963
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,760
oh cool yeah it's it's definitely one of

964
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,119
those it's kind of

965
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:07,200
it's different and it's obviously

966
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,320
different than

967
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,880
the books that i write you know just as

968
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,160
me and they're

969
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,880
you know written with primarily with

970
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,599
words

971
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,720
uh not so many visuals but you know for

972
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,400
for those that haven't seen of course

973
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,160
it's it's part of my

974
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,920
i write for the horror magazine rue

975
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,160
morgan i'm i sort of specialize

976
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,680
in cryptids they're very into the

977
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,760
cryptozoology thing and

978
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,640
uh i kind of bridge the gap between the

979
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,880
real world of cryptozoology real life

980
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:36,480
sightings and the histories of these

981
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,200
creatures

982
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,320
and what many portray them in films

983
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,480
there's a lot of bigfoot movies and

984
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,880
other cryptids and films so i'm i'm sort

985
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,599
of the

986
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,440
go-between with that and it's a lot of

987
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,200
fun to write that kind of stuff

988
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,800
and as a fan of horror movies myself

989
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,839
and to kind of add that sort of element

990
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,440
and perspective on real-life

991
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,520
cryptozoology so with this book

992
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,680
they just said you know it's it's part

993
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,359
of their library series and they just

994
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:05,839
gave me the reins just

995
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,560
bring in some what i wanted it reprints

996
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,560
a few articles from room org and then i

997
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,400
had new content and

998
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:15,040
uh just very different like you say yeah

999
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,079
i can cover

1000
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,880
bigfoot in films and you know weird

1001
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,720
chupacabra films and

1002
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,560
lake monsters and a whole lot of stuff

1003
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,560
that

1004
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,839
you know really doesn't get a lot of

1005
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,839
recognition and then the way they lay

1006
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,560
out that graphics and include all the

1007
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,560
the visuals it just makes a really cool

1008
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,320
book and it was it was quite

1009
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,200
you know a successful i think as far as

1010
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:39,359
their library series of books go they

1011
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:39,839
print

1012
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,599
those get shipped out to

1013
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,480
uh an audience and it's a way for me to

1014
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,520
write also to an

1015
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,560
audience that doesn't normally uh follow

1016
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,720
cryptozoology necessarily this could be

1017
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,240
a horror movie

1018
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:57,040
uh enthusiast that you know that you

1019
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,480
know they've seen some bigfoot movies

1020
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,960
but they probably don't get

1021
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,119
to understand the world of cryptozoology

1022
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,000
so that's what's fun for me is to really

1023
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,800
pull somebody in who's not necessarily

1024
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,480
into the subject

1025
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,400
and so that that was a fun part of that

1026
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,520
project

1027
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,359
yeah i like how you added the uh the

1028
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,119
humanoids and filming

1029
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,720
reality that was pretty cool um

1030
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,680
you know and it's it's funny how some of

1031
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,960
the reports

1032
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,320
we get are you know that are

1033
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,640
they're so they're so parallel to some

1034
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:31,440
of the

1035
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,040
the film creatures from the 50s and 60s

1036
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,839
i mean to a degree but i mean it does

1037
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:38,880
kind of remind you

1038
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,640
some of them uh of course with the uh

1039
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,760
the bishopville monster and the uh the

1040
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,520
creature from the black lagoon

1041
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,839
comparison that you know that's

1042
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:51,599
absolutely

1043
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,640
you know that that's really spot on

1044
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,880
and uh you know some of this other some

1045
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,000
of the other

1046
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,960
uh the mongolian death worm you know

1047
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:01,680
that was

1048
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,079
stories i did when i started the blog

1049
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,079
and i thought it was so unusual and you

1050
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,680
don't really see a whole lot about it

1051
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,640
but

1052
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,839
putting it in this in your book that

1053
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:14,000
just

1054
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,839
different things that you know

1055
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,440
the way you're thinking the way it's put

1056
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,480
together uh

1057
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,880
lizard i mean excuse me the uh the

1058
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:26,400
spider monsters

1059
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,160
and even had pictures of toys

1060
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,960
that have legendary toys and some other

1061
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,960
things to come out

1062
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:37,680
and uh yeah i really highly recommend it

1063
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:38,240
i

1064
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,760
should really

1065
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,640
get this book i'm quite sure and i know

1066
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,079
sean was saying that his

1067
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,119
his kids were reading it too so it's uh

1068
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,119
yeah i think it's for everybody really

1069
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,200
do

1070
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,119
yeah yeah exactly it's it's definitely

1071
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,560
written in when i approach

1072
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,200
that stuff i i do keep in mind the

1073
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,640
audience could be literally

1074
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,040
anybody they could just be maybe kids it

1075
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,560
could be somebody who's injust into

1076
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,680
horror movies

1077
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,240
or somebody who's in the cryptozoology

1078
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,160
so i sort of keep that mind as the

1079
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,359
audience

1080
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,839
um you know and and really try to use it

1081
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,680
as a platform to

1082
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:22,640
you know to show how much cryptozoology

1083
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,359
really is

1084
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,440
out there in culture from toys and

1085
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:26,800
movies and

1086
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:30,160
even music uh it's just everywhere and

1087
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:30,800
it's

1088
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,079
you know for us you know we we know the

1089
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,920
the side of getting the real life

1090
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,400
reports and that just really makes

1091
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,400
makes it even more intriguing if i can

1092
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,839
get somebody to

1093
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:43,680
uh read one of those reports like the

1094
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,880
giant spider one and stuff i mean that's

1095
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,079
you know it sounds like something out of

1096
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:49,599
a movie but this is something that you

1097
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,000
know

1098
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,319
a witness reported to david weatherly

1099
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,000
that's real stuff so

1100
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,200
it's uh life is stranger than

1101
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,240
than horror fiction in some ways

1102
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,440
yeah and you know i i i think well of

1103
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,400
course i get

1104
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,640
when i get this stuff i i write about it

1105
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:07,839
i post it

1106
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,359
and uh you know people i guess a lot of

1107
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:12,960
people roll their eyes at it but you

1108
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,280
know

1109
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,200
settings

1110
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,280
and uh that's just the uh you know it's

1111
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,240
just the nature of the beast basically

1112
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,160
we're just reporting the news here you

1113
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,240
know yeah we report what we get that's

1114
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,880
it you know i mean you can screen you

1115
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,880
know screen it to try to see what as

1116
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,400
best you can to

1117
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,920
yeah to read out the the really crazy

1118
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,880
stuff but i mean ultimately it's it's

1119
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,240
you know these are

1120
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,599
as you know if you follow these

1121
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,000
witnesses they they have seen something

1122
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,599
and they have seen something strange and

1123
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,119
unexplainable and

1124
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,480
and that is that is the report

1125
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:53,040
yep so your new book is coming out

1126
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:53,920
beyond

1127
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:56,960
boggy creek uh

1128
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,040
the southern sasquatch so how

1129
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,760
how broad of uh how broad of an area are

1130
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,280
you going to uh

1131
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,119
are you going to encompass in this next

1132
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,200
book

1133
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:12,000
well i i basically started with the

1134
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,040
premise that

1135
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,599
uh you know boggy creek is quite famous

1136
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,880
and

1137
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,119
you know i've become notable for that

1138
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,880
subject matter but

1139
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,920
i've also researched and

1140
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,880
and there's a long history of sightings

1141
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,240
of similar creatures

1142
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,839
all over the south and

1143
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:34,160
i sort of used that as a guide to sort

1144
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,040
of

1145
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,680
follow the waterways and the terrain out

1146
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,520
from augie creek and start exploring

1147
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,520
these other

1148
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,680
you know cases which in you know in many

1149
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,040
cases are just

1150
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,839
just as fascinating and some frightening

1151
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,400
and

1152
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,560
has all the elements that you know the

1153
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:52,560
legend of boggy creek has

1154
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,079
um you know it it was a huge undertaking

1155
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,280
and i kind of

1156
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,200
i thought at times i've bitten off more

1157
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,720
than i could chew but

1158
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,359
i basically wanted to cover the whole

1159
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,520
deep south which

1160
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,079
if you look at southern united states

1161
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,240
give or take you know you're looking at

1162
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,839
13 14 states i finally narrowed that

1163
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,800
down to what i

1164
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,599
what it's considered the deep deep south

1165
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:19,520
and so i'm looking at about 10

1166
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,599
states um from you know oklahoma

1167
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,079
over to florida and just sort of that

1168
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:27,599
southeast chunk of

1169
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,440
territory which has just tons of great

1170
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,720
history and of course modern reports of

1171
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,200
bigfoot like creatures and so that

1172
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,119
that's really what it encompasses

1173
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,480
and uh the book is i mean

1174
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:45,440
what i would venture to say would be the

1175
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,240
definitive

1176
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,960
book on southern sasquatch because i do

1177
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,400
try to cover

1178
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,599
uh you know everything and try to

1179
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,839
you know offer the oldest reports kind

1180
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,680
of the basis of the history and then

1181
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:58,880
carry it up

1182
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,640
with examples from uh the modern day

1183
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:05,839
and to sort of you know anal

1184
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,000
contrast and analyze the similarities

1185
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:12,240
between the reports that you get from

1186
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,040
say

1187
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:16,000
you know north carolina versus arkansas

1188
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:16,960
for example

1189
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,000
and sort of put it in that context so

1190
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:22,400
it was it's a big undertaking but i'm

1191
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,040
i'm

1192
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,480
pretty excited about the book and i

1193
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:26,160
think everybody's going to really enjoy

1194
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,800
it

1195
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:29,839
if they like my style and my my

1196
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,520
uh investigative approach this is just

1197
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,760
you know this is just on a grand scale

1198
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:37,599
of me going all through the south and i

1199
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,920
do

1200
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:40,079
go to these places i mean there's tons

1201
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,200
of pictures in the book

1202
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,520
and most of the pictures i took myself

1203
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,119
on location in

1204
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:48,160
you know florida or wherever i was so i

1205
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,880
try to

1206
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,920
continue that personal touch

1207
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:54,079
with the investigations in this book as

1208
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:55,200
well

1209
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,720
if it's anything like uh the bishopville

1210
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,480
book but the

1211
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,760
bishopville monster and uh the original

1212
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,440
boggy creek

1213
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,520
uh book i i am definitely looking

1214
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:11,119
forward to it i'm quite sure it's gonna

1215
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,440
be

1216
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:17,030
yeah i'm excited and you know with the

1217
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,319
with the title i mean i could have

1218
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,280
called it you know

1219
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,040
the southern sasquatch or something but

1220
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,040
i thought yeah i thought it

1221
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,839
made a perfect sense to kind of continue

1222
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:27,359
uh

1223
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,560
that boggy creek sort of vibe and

1224
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,280
go go beyond boggy creek so to speak so

1225
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:34,560
the the cover art

1226
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,040
is going to uh reflect

1227
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,880
what i'm doing is a series here i guess

1228
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,160
so it got a similar vibe to the first

1229
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,480
beast of boggy creek book so you know

1230
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:48,000
it's the next

1231
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,349
without giving too much away or without

1232
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,640
talking about any of the cases that are

1233
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,960
going to be in the book

1234
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:00,800
what kind of uh cases have come across

1235
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,829
uh well there's there's been several

1236
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:08,720
there was

1237
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,079
we've kind of been looking into this uh

1238
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,319
what we call a gorilla sighting from the

1239
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,680
60s up here very

1240
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,839
not too far about an hour from outside

1241
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,640
of dallas where i live

1242
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:23,119
in which some people reported seeing

1243
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,839
what they described as a gorilla

1244
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,440
um and

1245
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,720
uh you know those those reports to me

1246
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:36,079
are very good ones because you know back

1247
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
in the early

1248
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,880
this is the early 60s they didn't have

1249
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,480
the context of bigfoot

1250
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,240
in which to report you know nobody had

1251
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,240
bigfoot on the brain

1252
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,400
they saw something strange the best they

1253
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,400
could do was describe it as a gorilla

1254
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,319
of course we look at it now and say well

1255
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,800
it probably plus into gorilla

1256
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,920
and of course they you know they say it

1257
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,760
walked upright it was tall

1258
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,920
and man-like in any way of course it

1259
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,440
sounds like bigfoot so

1260
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,359
that's one that's come up i mean it's an

1261
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,640
old one

1262
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,960
but one that you just keep getting these

1263
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:09,280
very cool tidbits of information that

1264
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,000
you just keep

1265
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,640
adding to that those pinpoints on the

1266
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,760
map

1267
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,040
all throughout the south and uh you know

1268
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:20,000
my book has you know a ton of those as

1269
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,720
well as

1270
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,599
in in addition to that a lot more recent

1271
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,960
sightings

1272
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:27,680
i investigated some or spoke to some

1273
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,480
witnesses up in arkansas that had a

1274
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,680
really eerie encounter there was three

1275
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,599
of them they were they were hunting

1276
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,800
and they were out at this uh hunting

1277
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,480
lease and it was an old

1278
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,440
like an abandoned house it had no power

1279
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,800
in it but it was some place where

1280
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,400
hunters could you know sleep for the

1281
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,640
night and so forth and

1282
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,640
they had gone out there and they were

1283
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,559
looking at their uh

1284
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,800
their uh feeders they noticed something

1285
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,160
standing in the woods and

1286
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,599
and you know they weren't quite sure

1287
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,520
what it was and kind of dismissed it but

1288
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:01,200
later on they got up to this hunting

1289
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,240
cabin and kind of got

1290
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,720
settled in in there and it's you know

1291
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,000
it's dark it's spooky

1292
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,760
and that i've slept in those hunters

1293
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,280
cabins before

1294
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,359
they're already kind of spooky and then

1295
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:13,119
you know they hear something uh moving

1296
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:13,839
around and

1297
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,880
ended up going outside and seeing this

1298
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,839
huge like seven foot tall hairy creature

1299
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:21,680
run around the side of the

1300
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,040
house and the two guys were alarmed and

1301
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,200
the third person in the house

1302
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,599
was in there and apparently this thing

1303
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,280
went into the cabin

1304
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,040
and this other the other hunter didn't

1305
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,000
know it and had quite a close call

1306
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:39,119
with the creature before it uh ended up

1307
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:39,920
running out

1308
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,440
so that was one that in my mind was

1309
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,040
i mean it could have been on a screen

1310
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,640
for the legend of boggy creek you know

1311
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,079
what i mean it's it's

1312
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:50,960
one of those cases that's uh it was

1313
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,839
spooky and here i am talking to the

1314
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,240
i spoke to two of those hunters myself

1315
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,920
so i felt confident that they were

1316
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,040
telling me

1317
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,760
uh you know a true story they were very

1318
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,119
credible type witnesses

1319
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,760
and those are the kind of cases that

1320
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,440
just keep coming across the desk

1321
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,480
so to speak i guess that's always the

1322
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:12,559
best thing about investigating

1323
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,920
so many is after a while when you talk

1324
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,280
to these uh

1325
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,160
experiencers that you can just tell by

1326
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:22,640
their demeanor their body language

1327
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,000
uh how honest uh they really are

1328
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,359
and it's uh it's just amazing to get

1329
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,040
these stories in these encounters i had

1330
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,359
one similar up here in

1331
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:36,400
potter county pennsylvania with a hunter

1332
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,440
on a private hunting lease and

1333
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,680
his job of course we need to afford him

1334
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,559
the anonymity he deserves but a very

1335
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,319
experienced outdoorsman and he saw

1336
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,240
something he couldn't explain and

1337
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:50,720
i those are always my favorite uh

1338
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,359
reports

1339
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,280
and encounters we get are from gentlemen

1340
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,280
or you know gentlemen ladies

1341
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,720
that work in uh you know the

1342
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,559
professional fields

1343
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,400
and uh they can't explain what they see

1344
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:01,599
that just even adds

1345
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,280
more to the mystery uh i feel

1346
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,760
yeah definitely and that that's you know

1347
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:08,800
the more

1348
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,960
that cross-section of society everybody

1349
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:14,880
kind of has this impression that

1350
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,920
bigfoot witnesses are you know

1351
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,160
you know rednecks that live in the woods

1352
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,480
and i mean in some cases sure if you

1353
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:24,079
live in the woods you're more likely to

1354
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,200
see an animal who

1355
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,079
lives in the woods but you know you've

1356
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,880
got those cross-section of doctors and

1357
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,760
and dentists and guys out hunting and

1358
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:34,800
people with

1359
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,400
you know these are your average people

1360
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,319
intelligent people that have these

1361
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,760
experiences and it

1362
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,760
you know it goes to show you and

1363
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,599
probably would surprise some people at

1364
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:47,760
how many different

1365
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,160
types of people and career people

1366
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,400
see these and and you just it's hard to

1367
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:55,839
dismiss

1368
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,040
uh those credible type reports yeah

1369
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,240
definitely uh so along with the uh

1370
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,240
uh you know bigfoot creatures lyle you

1371
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,280
investigate

1372
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:08,000
you know just about any strange uh

1373
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,640
cryptid

1374
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,800
unknown animal that kind of comes across

1375
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,680
your way

1376
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,839
uh have any interesting reports of

1377
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,119
anything other than uh

1378
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,470
uh yeah there's there's been a few

1379
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,240
things there was one

1380
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,559
one little thing i was investigating

1381
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:26,640
recently uh

1382
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,079
in which this is a town sort of in the

1383
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,000
middle of texas and i've gotten a few of

1384
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,520
these

1385
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,920
lizard man type reports i guess once i

1386
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,280
wrote the

1387
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,200
the bishopville lizard man book you know

1388
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,200
a few things started coming at me

1389
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:42,800
that i wasn't aware of at the time and

1390
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,280
there was actually a couple from texas

1391
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,920
where people had reported seeing you

1392
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:48,839
know some kind of

1393
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,000
upright reptilian type creature

1394
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:55,280
in in one of these cases uh

1395
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,559
myself and my colleague

1396
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,559
ken gerhart who lives here in texas as

1397
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:01,920
well we went to

1398
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:04,960
a small town and followed up one on a

1399
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,079
sort of a we weren't sure it was

1400
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,119
somebody had reported

1401
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:11,119
so-called lizard man but it turned out

1402
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:12,559
that there really was

1403
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,319
uh some sightings of a creature and

1404
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,000
several people in this neighborhood had

1405
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,480
called 9-1-1

1406
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,520
and i ended up talking to

1407
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,240
the 9-1-1 dispatcher who received the

1408
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,280
calls

1409
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,000
and that really brought it home because

1410
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:31,920
he said yeah these people were calling

1411
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,040
they saw something that had come up from

1412
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,800
this wooded area where there was some

1413
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,359
train tracks and whatever it was had cut

1414
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,680
cut through i'm going to say a

1415
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,680
neighborhood but it was there was houses

1416
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,359
around i mean it's not

1417
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,599
this is a very small town you know what

1418
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,880
i mean it's

1419
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,400
you know edging all the wood on the

1420
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,240
woods but it had come up

1421
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:55,599
a street and about uh five or six

1422
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,480
kids had first seen it as it walked up

1423
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:00,079
and they ran in the house scared to

1424
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,520
death and of course the mom didn't

1425
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,440
believe them but

1426
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,720
some of the parents came out of the

1427
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,440
house and they also saw this thing

1428
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:10,000
and uh called called the police the

1429
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,640
police

1430
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,240
of course by the time they showed up

1431
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,960
nothing they couldn't find it but

1432
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,040
then on subsequent nights they got more

1433
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,480
calls and

1434
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,559
some of the railway guys had seen it as

1435
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,680
well so i thought that was a

1436
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,920
had good credibility to it and the way

1437
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,880
that the best

1438
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,559
way they could describe it was a lizard

1439
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,160
man and

1440
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,760
i'm still looking into that i need to

1441
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:33,440
talk to the newspapers there's always

1442
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,480
seems like

1443
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,240
something else you can you can go with

1444
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,520
these things but uh

1445
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:39,839
you know so i get things like that uh

1446
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,190
you know strange reports of uh

1447
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,390
i even got a pig man report

1448
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,200
some sort something some something and i

1449
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,200
of course my first question was

1450
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,359
did it have the head of a pig in the

1451
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,359
body of a human or

1452
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,000
the head of a man in the body of a pig

1453
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,160
but apparently it was a pig-headed

1454
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:06,240
creature of some sort that

1455
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,720
had run across the road in arkansas so

1456
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,920
i didn't know i didn't find too much

1457
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,480
too much more on that but it goes in the

1458
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,000
pig man file i'm

1459
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,400
i'm looking to build that one up i think

1460
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,960
i'd rather see the

1461
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,880
body of a man with the head of a pig

1462
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,160
than the body of a pig with the head of

1463
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,599
a man

1464
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,160
yeah yeah now that yeah that is creepy

1465
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,440
if he said that i'd have been

1466
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,480
man but you know i don't i don't get a

1467
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,160
lot of lake monster reports

1468
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:40,799
we don't down here in the in the texas

1469
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,520
area

1470
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,000
i mean there's a few i don't know the

1471
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,799
giant catfish sort of reports but

1472
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,799
and i never get too many lake monster

1473
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,720
type things it's usually

1474
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,960
usually along the lines of bigfoot

1475
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,559
wizard man and

1476
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,480
obviously pig man and you get the

1477
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,960
chupacabra thing which

1478
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,079
it never really goes and goes too far

1479
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,109
you know mangy made you something

1480
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,200
another but you know those things do

1481
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,799
come across the table every once in a

1482
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:13,440
while you know chupacabra again there's

1483
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,240
another

1484
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,680
interesting cryptid what are your

1485
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,359
thoughts on this do you think it's a

1486
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,720
standalone

1487
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,559
uh creature in itself or do you think

1488
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,319
it's been one of these uh

1489
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:24,400
misidentified mangy mutts that have been

1490
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,270
well i it's a con the chupacabra is kind

1491
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,440
of confusing one because

1492
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,079
i think it's two two separate cases what

1493
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,760
you have in

1494
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:40,079
the original reports from puerto rico

1495
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,119
and latin america

1496
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,680
from the from the mid 90s the

1497
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:45,760
description of that creature is quite

1498
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:48,799
different from what was

1499
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,799
later called chupacabras

1500
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,359
you know here in texas in other places

1501
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:57,040
in the south when

1502
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:01,359
um you know when people first saw these

1503
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,640
hairless creepy dog-like creatures the

1504
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,680
media

1505
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,760
you know oh it's a chupacabra someone

1506
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,119
called it that and then it just

1507
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,000
became that but it's it's not the same

1508
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,920
thing that was reported in the initial

1509
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,799
cases so

1510
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,870
whatever was taking place in puerto rico

1511
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,319
is a separate case

1512
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:26,000
and um the

1513
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,000
you know these four-legged hairless

1514
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,880
canids that are running around in texas

1515
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:33,760
uh

1516
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:37,200
to me i think they very well could be

1517
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,359
a you know hybrid or a

1518
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,119
uh you know mutated

1519
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,720
version of you know a known

1520
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,960
canid but it certainly could be

1521
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,760
something new

1522
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,839
and different and in some of these cases

1523
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,200
these creatures have

1524
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,319
had uh characteristics like nodules on

1525
00:57:02,309 --> 00:56:59,920
the back of their

1526
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:02,319
hind quarters that just can't be

1527
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,200
explained

1528
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,839
they're just not normal even if you're

1529
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,079
talking about a hybrid of a coyote and a

1530
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:09,920
red wolf or something

1531
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,520
um so you know the jury to me is still

1532
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:14,559
out on those

1533
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:18,000
uh as far as what those are and

1534
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,319
it may be less monstrous than

1535
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,760
we may you know fantasize or romanticize

1536
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:26,240
that it

1537
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,799
different kind of creature and it

1538
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:33,040
uh has unique characteristics then it is

1539
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,880
certainly equipped

1540
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,960
and you know something that's worth

1541
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,880
investigating when you can find those

1542
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,000
cases of

1543
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,599
of good ones most of the time people

1544
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,760
send me a picture of a hairless

1545
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,440
you know raccoon or whatever hey have

1546
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:47,359
you seen this i'm like yeah it's

1547
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:50,880
another hairless raccoon um that's

1548
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,079
not the same as some of these uh

1549
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,720
you know blanco texas where they've seen

1550
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,520
some of these more

1551
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:00,799
unique painted so so jury's still out on

1552
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,069
definitely uh quite a conundrum when

1553
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,760
dealing with some of these uh

1554
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,359
strange cryptid creatures but you know

1555
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,200
one that's been coming across our desk a

1556
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,640
lot

1557
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,440
lyle is the good old dog man he's been

1558
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,240
popping up everywhere again

1559
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,400
yeah i know it that the dog man's having

1560
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,920
its day here in the last

1561
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:26,240
couple of years and really there we go

1562
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:27,040
and

1563
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:33,040
participated in kim gerhard's dog man

1564
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:34,160
symposium

1565
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,920
uh that we had last year and that uh

1566
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,839
you know brought me into contact with

1567
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,280
with some more of the

1568
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,319
uh people who were knowledgeable on that

1569
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:46,799
subject and i got to hear some

1570
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,839
um i was just the emcee at that event

1571
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,760
which was kind of fun just being the mc

1572
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,119
i didn't do a presentation

1573
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:55,680
but but just some great interesting

1574
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,160
stuff

1575
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,200
and meeting linda godfrey and uh hearing

1576
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,119
about some of her research

1577
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,319
you know dogman is super super creepy

1578
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,319
and very intriguing it's something i've

1579
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,760
definitely been following as i can

1580
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,319
her latest book had just some real

1581
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:14,000
incredible stories

1582
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,880
of uh these uh dog men beings uh

1583
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,079
not just so much as just being large

1584
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:24,240
upright canid creatures but some of them

1585
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,280
also

1586
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,440
shape-shifting and really gotten to some

1587
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:28,960
bizarre elements

1588
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:31,839
that really don't fit the profile of uh

1589
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,319
you know

1590
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,480
many of the cryptids we investigate do

1591
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:36,240
you think there's a lot more to some of

1592
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,640
these

1593
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,400
creatures than meets the eye or do you

1594
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:40,880
think it might just be

1595
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,839
uh witness embellishment or just

1596
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,240
confusion

1597
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,920
think it could be a little bit of

1598
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:50,160
everything i mean to me

1599
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:59,589
we people we we try to create

1600
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:02,319
scenarios that can explain these things

1601
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:02,960
because

1602
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,799
a lot of a lot of these sightings are

1603
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,119
are quite hard to explain in physical

1604
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:10,960
terms you know i mean the thing is

1605
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,240
just the fact that it's a canine-like

1606
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,799
creature wolf-like creature walking

1607
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,119
on two legs for any length of time is

1608
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,710
hard to reconcile and then

1609
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:27,680
you know if it has some strange behavior

1610
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,240
if it

1611
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,040
seems to disappear or move move from

1612
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:32,799
place to place or

1613
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:35,920
any of that i think that

1614
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,599
you start to get people theorizing

1615
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,720
more in in the realms of paranormal or

1616
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:44,640
supernatural

1617
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:52,470
it's just a way to try to come to grips

1618
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,440
of just

1619
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,920
what is it you know and people throw out

1620
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:57,520
all the theories and

1621
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:00,640
you know people have their opinions

1622
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:03,520
about all of it and i kind of try to

1623
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,079
stay

1624
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:06,720
more with a you know the base opinion of

1625
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,240
a biological creature in these cases but

1626
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,960
um you know i think it's it's just a

1627
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:13,839
result of

1628
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:17,839
the phenomenon being very strange being

1629
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,319
you know otherworldly in some regards

1630
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,319
and then people applying

1631
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,359
uh the best explanations they can to

1632
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,960
these and i think

1633
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,240
you know you can't have some

1634
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:30,319
embellishment or confusion by the

1635
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,119
witness

1636
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,000
i mean most of these sightings are in

1637
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,400
darkly lit scenarios they're

1638
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,880
they're fast they're probably scary

1639
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,160
unexpected

1640
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:43,280
and you know witness witness

1641
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:46,400
eyewitnesses is not the most reliable

1642
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,920
you know evidence unfortunately so

1643
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,160
some of that you gotta chalk up to you

1644
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,079
know the circumstances in which these

1645
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,680
things may be seen but

1646
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:58,480
to me it all it it does boil down to

1647
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:59,280
this

1648
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,039
especially if you look at linda

1649
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:02,960
godfrey's research

1650
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,440
something's going on these all these

1651
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:06,960
people didn't just simply make this

1652
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,359
stuff

1653
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,920
up there has been seen some creatures

1654
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:12,240
that fit the description of

1655
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,000
you know dog men and

1656
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,000
you know again the jury's still out what

1657
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,839
are these things we've just got to keep

1658
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,920
following up on it to

1659
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,400
to sort it out but you can't say that

1660
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,240
people haven't seen that they certainly

1661
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,480
have and it is a phenomenon that seems

1662
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:29,760
to be

1663
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,520
increasing yeah some of these reports

1664
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,640
again very vivid

1665
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,280
too from the the witness description uh

1666
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,839
i know the ones we've received up here

1667
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,839
and lana butch you guys can correct me

1668
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:43,440
if i'm wrong and of course both of you

1669
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:44,160
will

1670
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,440
uh they've been

1671
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,200
you know pretty flesh and blood they've

1672
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,440
been pretty uh large

1673
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:54,480
large creatures uh

1674
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:58,000
but not a whole lot of uh paranormal

1675
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,039
kind of uh supernatural presence about

1676
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,789
well you think butch i mean i i i know

1677
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:07,839
we had at least

1678
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,440
one one uh witness the one up in um

1679
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:15,440
in blair county well the two witnesses

1680
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,720
actually had the

1681
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,200
the same multiple witnesses in that one

1682
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,960
that they

1683
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,680
they they were describing this thing as

1684
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,359
having a sheen to it

1685
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,880
to almost made it like it was a

1686
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,119
supernatural being

1687
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:32,079
uh eating root kill inside or you know

1688
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:33,200
side of the highway

1689
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,720
um i mean if you look into some of the

1690
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:37,920
reports

1691
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,359
you

1692
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:44,079
may find some things in the reports that

1693
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,200
may

1694
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,240
seem to think it's something very

1695
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,079
unusual i mean um

1696
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,119
the initial report we got in uh

1697
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,359
in pen you know near penfield where this

1698
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,160
thing just suddenly showed up

1699
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,319
and you wrote about you you made a

1700
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,079
mention of in the monstro

1701
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:04,640
azara book where this thing just sh

1702
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,119
showed up the guy was walking these dogs

1703
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:09,039
well that's a report the butch that

1704
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:10,160
butch got

1705
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,839
and uh you know i mean something like

1706
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:16,000
that

1707
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,440
really can't

1708
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,280
you know that's very similar to you know

1709
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:25,359
following bigfoot tracks in the snow

1710
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:30,789
and how many times we heard that i mean

1711
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:33,760
you know we hear that all the time

1712
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:36,799
no i'm not saying it's

1713
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,839
you know vanishes in the thin air but

1714
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,000
there's

1715
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:41,760
got to be something but i don't know

1716
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,119
beyond my level of comprehension guys

1717
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:46,960
and i think that's what leads to the

1718
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:49,920
theories that start to play in with

1719
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:54,160
with i don't know dimensions and uh

1720
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,760
you know all the all the other stuff

1721
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,240
some ways to try to explain just how

1722
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,319
that can happen because

1723
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:04,960
you know under the assumption that was a

1724
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,760
bigfoot

1725
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,839
how did it you know how did it walk here

1726
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,319
and then the footprint stopped or

1727
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:13,039
you know what was the the glow around

1728
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,319
the dog man it's just

1729
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,520
i think you get all these i don't know

1730
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:19,680
spitball theories to try to explain it

1731
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:20,839
and

1732
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:24,079
um you know lack of a body i guess it's

1733
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:25,119
all

1734
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,600
pa researchers is what i do

1735
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,880
[Laughter]

1736
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,720
well you live in another state like this

1737
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,720
state i mean you tend to get a few

1738
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,280
weird things and i don't know it just

1739
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:41,039
seems like we get some weird stuff here

1740
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:42,720
and

1741
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,079
any type of crypt any encrypted

1742
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:49,680
researcher up here

1743
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,440
well i mean they will everyone's gotten

1744
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,799
something weird i mean something that

1745
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,240
just can't be explained

1746
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:58,720
oh yeah every everybody everybody up

1747
01:06:02,549 --> 01:05:59,760
here has one that

1748
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:02,559
just something that boggles their mind

1749
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,440
and

1750
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,480
uh you know i guess

1751
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,319
when we try to find the most rational

1752
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,160
explanation we end up scratching our

1753
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,920
heads even harder because we we just

1754
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,280
can't find one

1755
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,280
and and these reports tend to get a

1756
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:17,280
little bizarre but lon you know in your

1757
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,160
work with uh

1758
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:20,799
skin skin walkers and all the other

1759
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,160
reports you know there again is a whole

1760
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:24,319
nother subject that a whole other

1761
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:27,359
area that's just bizarre

1762
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:31,119
well you know in in and lyle knows this

1763
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,319
because

1764
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,119
in ken as well you know that that area

1765
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,280
in the area of texas

1766
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,559
uh south of san antonio down to the uh

1767
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,720
to laredo and then around there that

1768
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,480
that whole area

1769
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,319
to me has gotten some of the most

1770
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:47,599
strangest reports

1771
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:53,039
i've ever seen you know little dinosaurs

1772
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:56,799
upright lizards and uh these uh

1773
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,440
you know the mana race-shaped flying

1774
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:04,319
animals whatever they are cryptids that

1775
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,119
are you know

1776
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:07,440
i get these reports from that specific

1777
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,559
area

1778
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,799
all the time and i'm quite sure now i

1779
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:12,160
know ken does

1780
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,630
yeah i was i was actually in laredo

1781
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:20,960
which is right on the border of

1782
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:24,079
mexico and texas and gotta spoke to some

1783
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,119
people down there

1784
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,319
and uh got it basically an eyewitness

1785
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,480
account of a lechuza which is

1786
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:33,839
sort of a flying howl kind of kind of a

1787
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:34,720
creature so

1788
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:37,599
you know that one that was very unique

1789
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:38,160
and

1790
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,240
i mean he was just you know regular guy

1791
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,920
i mean i i felt like what he was telling

1792
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,280
me was true and

1793
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,160
uh yeah really really strange one and

1794
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,839
yeah you're right down there it's

1795
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,839
there's just all kinds of crazy stuff

1796
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:55,359
going on and there's a lot i mean

1797
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,119
there's just a lot of landscape out

1798
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:58,799
there where there really is nothing i

1799
01:08:02,630 --> 01:07:59,839
mean

1800
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:02,640
you know there's things could yeah i

1801
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:03,119
don't know

1802
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:06,880
exist and dwell in those areas

1803
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,839
that you know would be hard to find or

1804
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,359
just hard to explain

1805
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,920
but but yeah definitely you get down in

1806
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:15,280
there some weird stuff

1807
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:18,960
east texas and south texas yeah

1808
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:23,440
crazy yeah i uh and i've even said that

1809
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,199
that that area specifically

1810
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,319
i have gotten more reports from us that

1811
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,600
area than any other area in the country

1812
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,759
of weird stuff i mean i'm just talking

1813
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:37,679
all kinds of weird stuff

1814
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,040
even paranormal you know uh and you talk

1815
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,359
about laredo i had gotten you know i had

1816
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:45,679
also gotten a lot of flying

1817
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,799
type cryptids in that in in laredo

1818
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:51,279
uh i got up you know i've been

1819
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:52,159
investigating

1820
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,839
these manta ray cryptids for years now

1821
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,799
and i got a i got an amazing sighting

1822
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:00,400
down there in laredo

1823
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:04,319
i had a um i also had like a mothman

1824
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:04,799
type

1825
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,560
creature scene in narrator i don't know

1826
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,000
i don't know if it's coming up across

1827
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,000
the border or what it is but it's just

1828
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:13,759
it just seems there's a lot of strange

1829
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,950
yeah that's uh yeah that's true i mean

1830
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,880
you know it's it's it's hard you know

1831
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,000
sometimes i look at it

1832
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,400
is it is it a cultural thing because you

1833
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:27,520
know where you have the

1834
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,239
the uh the latino culture

1835
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,000
you know and some of the things like

1836
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:36,239
lechuza the interpretations of these

1837
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,440
creatures can be

1838
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:40,719
yeah take a spin if depending on

1839
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:43,759
on the background of the person and the

1840
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,839
culture of the person describing it but

1841
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,080
nonetheless

1842
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,080
boil it down it's still some weird

1843
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:52,400
unexplained big flying thing

1844
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,480
that you just

1845
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,400
you know in any language it's still a

1846
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:00,480
weird

1847
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,840
there's a lot of those down there i wish

1848
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,280
i could get down there more even though

1849
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,199
i do live in texas it's like

1850
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,920
10 hours just to drive that is a long

1851
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:11,120
way down there yeah

1852
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:14,800
i know um i've only never been down

1853
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,840
one time but uh

1854
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,000
i you know it it just it just astounds

1855
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,679
me how many

1856
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,440
how many weird reports around san

1857
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:25,360
antonio then south from there

1858
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,640
in in to onto the border you know

1859
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,679
and uh it it is it's a it's amazing and

1860
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:34,320
and these people swear to god that

1861
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,360
they've seen something

1862
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:37,040
and they just cannot explain it and

1863
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,400
they're uh

1864
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,080
and they're looking for answers just

1865
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,960
like anybody else but uh

1866
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,960
oh like you said all he can do is report

1867
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,719
it and

1868
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,560
talk to the witnesses and go with what

1869
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,630
yeah and i think you know one of the

1870
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,719
things that you know by

1871
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,560
collecting these reports and having a

1872
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,040
network like like you guys and

1873
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,080
and speaking to each other you know if

1874
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,000
one person gets a report

1875
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,920
then you kind of go hey wait a minute

1876
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,440
you know i remember

1877
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,280
you know so and so got one from here and

1878
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:11,360
you can sort of see a

1879
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,320
kind of start mapping out places where

1880
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,440
it would corroborate

1881
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,679
sightings and that's happened plenty of

1882
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:19,600
times where somebody

1883
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:22,000
that would have would have had no

1884
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:22,960
knowledge

1885
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,600
of you know this other report that had

1886
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:26,880
been received by me

1887
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,239
or a colleague and

1888
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,159
you know and then you put it together

1889
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,000
and you say well man not you know this

1890
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:36,080
wasn't just one person that saw this

1891
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,000
you know several years later somebody

1892
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:40,080
else in a totally different area totally

1893
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,280
didn't know that guy

1894
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,840
described a similar thing and those are

1895
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,840
the kind of things that

1896
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,520
like in your database you can start

1897
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,960
building up and

1898
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,800
and you know it's it's good to have

1899
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:52,800
these reports and to kind of

1900
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:56,000
spitball pollen because it always turns

1901
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,280
out that

1902
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,360
it's not necessarily a single witness

1903
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:01,360
that's all one weird thing it's

1904
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:02,080
something that

1905
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,239
could be corroborated by others and that

1906
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:06,159
always fascinates me when i find one

1907
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:06,880
where

1908
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:09,679
oh man well did you know i had a guy you

1909
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:10,400
know and

1910
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,760
and when you tell the witness that

1911
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:13,760
they're like really i'm like yeah you're

1912
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,640
not the only one

1913
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,280
so i think they feel relieved you know

1914
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,600
when i tell them

1915
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,440
yeah i always enjoy that as well say

1916
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,360
i'll get a report and

1917
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,320
and i'll i know i got something else

1918
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,719
from years ago that was similar to that

1919
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,960
and i usually tack it on or attack a

1920
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:33,360
link back to it on you know on the blog

1921
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,920
but uh yeah your witnesses that's they

1922
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,520
want to hear that they want to they

1923
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:40,560
they want us to uh they want somebody to

1924
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,930
tell that they're not crazy

1925
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,840
[Laughter]

1926
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,000
and uh you know yeah i enjoy doing that

1927
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:48,000
as well

1928
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:49,360
in some ways we're kind of like

1929
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,480
counselors you know like yeah

1930
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,560
you know these people are like oh yeah

1931
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:56,080
really relieved that

1932
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,520
you know because some of them are

1933
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,199
questioning their own sanity

1934
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,920
like i'm like no trust me you know you

1935
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,840
know happens more in the bigfoot realm i

1936
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,840
just get more bigfoot reports but

1937
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:08,159
yeah where i assure some lady that i i

1938
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,360
promise you

1939
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,360
plenty of people have seen this you are

1940
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,600
not crazy and i appreciate you telling

1941
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:14,880
me you know

1942
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,800
so yeah well butch which could tell you

1943
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,560
that's what we've been getting up here i

1944
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,159
mean you know

1945
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:23,760
people first thing people say you know i

1946
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,560
saw something i know it's not

1947
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,360
real but this thing looked like a dog

1948
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,120
that was standing up or a

1949
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:33,120
wolf that was standing behind legs and

1950
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,320
you just like

1951
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:37,440
yeah well you know welcome to the club

1952
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,080
you know

1953
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,679
you're preaching to the choir i mean we

1954
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:41,760
get this stuff all the time

1955
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,040
right so yeah i always love it when long

1956
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,640
gets something new because then my phone

1957
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,719
starts going off the hook

1958
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,320
he had something exciting he's like holy

1959
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,560
crap i gotta share this i love it like

1960
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:54,880
uh i that's what long gets so excited

1961
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:56,080
about this stuff and he gets the

1962
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:57,360
weirdest crap man

1963
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,280
let me he gets some really bizarre yeah

1964
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,040
yeah i love it i want to look i want to

1965
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:05,360
do some if i want something weird i i

1966
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,400
gotta

1967
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,600
i got a lawn site just to see what's up

1968
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,159
yeah it's often something quite

1969
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,679
fascinating but

1970
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:16,080
it's uh it's good stuff it always starts

1971
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:17,040
the same way

1972
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:18,560
you're not going to believe this but

1973
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,270
like those flying i still can't figure

1974
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,199
those out those are

1975
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,600
no that that's that's some of the that's

1976
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:31,520
one of the weirdest things

1977
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,920
and uh you know they all caught they

1978
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,320
come different sizes

1979
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,719
uh they all look like manta rays but

1980
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,719
they're flying

1981
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,719
and they've got the same type of texture

1982
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:44,800
as a manta ray

1983
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,000
but you know

1984
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:51,040
first of all how they propel nobody can

1985
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:51,440
ever

1986
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,640
explain how they propel i've i've had

1987
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:56,000
pictures that almost look

1988
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,440
like these things but you know it's hard

1989
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,120
to you know people think you know

1990
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,719
they move so fast people can't really

1991
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,480
get a good picture of it

1992
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,880
but uh the descriptions of it and just

1993
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:06,159
where they turn up and a lot of these

1994
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:07,360
things turned up in the middle of the

1995
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,400
city

1996
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,800
it's it's just that's strange but it's

1997
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,120
always near water

1998
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:15,920
it always either heading toward water or

1999
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,350
i don't know yeah it's uh

2000
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,280
you say conundrum it's exactly what it

2001
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,950
lyle with uh boggy uh beyond buggy creek

2002
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:31,840
coming out

2003
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,640
and uh the the new small town monsters

2004
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:36,000
production you're associated with what

2005
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:37,600
else you got going on this year what

2006
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,669
yeah i know it's it's it's it's pretty

2007
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:45,440
crazy you just started adding

2008
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,360
well i'm also a

2009
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,440
i guess professional musician and i have

2010
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,679
a band so i do have an album coming out

2011
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,080
in march with my band ghoultown

2012
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:58,560
something that i haven't had time to

2013
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,120
record

2014
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:01,920
once i sort of got got into writing the

2015
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,640
books and

2016
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,960
tv shows and all this other stuff that

2017
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,960
came with it i sort of

2018
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:09,199
it's i love doing this stuff and i kind

2019
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,480
of uh

2020
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,400
put the band aside or at least we didn't

2021
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,520
tour and

2022
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,920
things like well like we used to but our

2023
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,480
fan base i think is revolted and

2024
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:21,600
i i had enough songs to do an album so

2025
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,239
we

2026
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,080
finally recorded that so i'm doing that

2027
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:25,840
as well we've got

2028
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,679
tour dates lining up for the summer in

2029
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:30,320
the uk and other places so

2030
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:33,440
cool and gonna be yeah

2031
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:36,400
just i don't know maybe the last album i

2032
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,520
ever record i mean the band is

2033
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,080
still somewhat popular and i think has

2034
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:43,679
actually gotten

2035
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:46,880
more life because once i started doing

2036
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,360
this

2037
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,480
and gotta you know have a tv tv profile

2038
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,239
and things like this a lot of new people

2039
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,600
were turned on by the bands

2040
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,679
the band was actually selling even more

2041
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:57,199
than ever so

2042
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:01,120
oh great so um you know i love doing all

2043
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,000
these these different

2044
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:03,760
things so i'm kind of doing that this

2045
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,640
year and um

2046
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,640
you know but i'm starting work on a new

2047
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:10,080
book and we'll just see

2048
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,360
see how much i can get done without uh

2049
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,120
falling over we're going to see you at

2050
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:17,760
math this year

2051
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,120
uh i'm i'm i'm putting that on

2052
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:23,440
the priority to try to do it last year i

2053
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,880
just i just

2054
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,560
physically couldn't make it i got so

2055
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,000
many events going on at

2056
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,800
usually that time of fall but i try to

2057
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:32,239
get up there every other year so i'm

2058
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,120
trying to

2059
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:34,800
i need to make a decision on that i'm

2060
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,120
already booked like crazy

2061
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,040
uh doing that international bigfoot

2062
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,760
conference on september 1st or

2063
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,960
whatever that that date is and uh

2064
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,440
then the week after that i do cryptid

2065
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:48,880
con in kentucky so

2066
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,880
september is already getting crazy

2067
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,199
yeah september is a huge month for uh

2068
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,199
cryptid events going on mothman and

2069
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,120
cryptidcon

2070
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:01,280
i i just don't know how i don't know how

2071
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,400
long we got to figure out which one to

2072
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,640
get you too

2073
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,880
yeah well i get myself straightened out

2074
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,560
i probably will start

2075
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:11,199
hitting a few of these uh i did want to

2076
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:12,320
go to the dog man

2077
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:15,520
symposium last year and

2078
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:19,920
uh linda and ken did ask me but

2079
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:22,000
i you know had so much going on with me

2080
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,040
so

2081
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:25,520
but i i would love to go up up there and

2082
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,400
i would love to go

2083
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:29,120
over the mothman one time getting to it

2084
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:29,920
so

2085
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,040
man is an experience uh yeah i bet

2086
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,000
last year it was killer like that little

2087
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:38,480
town had so many people packed into it

2088
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,520
and you've been there a while you know

2089
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:42,239
the town's not very big to begin with

2090
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,280
and it was just loaded uh

2091
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,840
with people which was you know fantastic

2092
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,199
and of course this year i imagine it'll

2093
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:50,480
be similar

2094
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,440
uh but matt lyle we're just glad you

2095
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,960
took the time to join us tonight we we

2096
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:56,640
appreciate it you know folks check out

2097
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,520
his books uh

2098
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,800
buggy creek beyond buggy creek uh coming

2099
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:03,120
out in february is that right

2100
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,159
all right february 1st it's coming up

2101
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,679
all right get your credit cards ready

2102
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,280
folks uh

2103
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:11,199
go get a pick up some of lyle's books

2104
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,640
monstro bizarro was

2105
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,000
was that limited is there still some

2106
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,000
available do you know

2107
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,840
i think it's still available and that

2108
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:19,040
that you can get through

2109
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,040
blue morg magazine site boo

2110
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:25,679
is the only way i think to get that

2111
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,080
unless

2112
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:28,000
somebody sees me at a an event i've got

2113
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:29,120
a few copies but

2114
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,120
there's there's links to my stuff on my

2115
01:19:37,950 --> 01:19:34,400
live blackburn site so you know i can

2116
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:37,960
direct yeah good good allows website uh

2117
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,640
liveblackburn.com it's a it's a very

2118
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:41,600
interesting site

2119
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:45,440
and uh uh i suggest you go there if

2120
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:45,840
you're

2121
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,840
interested in lyle and what he does and

2122
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,120
everything's there

2123
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,800
very interesting for a very interesting

2124
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,880
man anyway do go

2125
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,520
to do go to amazon and get the the you

2126
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:57,199
know rent the film

2127
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,360
uh toboggan creek monster that

2128
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:04,159
that is it is a very good film and i

2129
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:05,840
highly suggest

2130
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:09,600
and uh recommend it it's uh

2131
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,440
i was sitting here watching this

2132
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,679
afternoon and uh

2133
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,920
it's very well done and it's something

2134
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:17,199
you don't normally see

2135
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:20,480
in a cryptic documentary it's just that

2136
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:21,120
good

2137
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:23,040
well it got my wife's attention lawn and

2138
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,719
you know if i can get her to watch

2139
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,480
anything

2140
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,800
related to my hobbies it's a miracle but

2141
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,400
she really enjoyed it so that's

2142
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:33,920
yeah that's a good uh plug right there

2143
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,159
if if forker's wife likes it you know

2144
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,320
you guaranteed it's it's a good one

2145
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,840
but again lyle thanks very much for

2146
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,199
joining us we really appreciate you

2147
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:43,040
coming on spending some time

2148
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,239
uh lyleblackburn.com folks

2149
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,120
check them out all right great talking

2150
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:51,360
to you guys as always

2151
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:53,360
you too lyle take care yeah we'll be in

2152
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:55,760
contact with you take care now

2153
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,870
loud blackburn folks great guy love to

2154
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:02,480
have lyle on the program

2155
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:04,960
uh next week we're going to be talking

2156
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:05,760
about

2157
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,560
the uh todd c's case we're going to be

2158
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,560
talking about an update on the upright

2159
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,480
canada cryptids of pennsylvania as if we

2160
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:13,920
don't talk about them enough every week

2161
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,239
but next week

2162
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:17,600
hey you know but it's our show we write

2163
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:19,120
the program we can talk about anything

2164
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:20,080
and we could have a whole shoe on

2165
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:21,280
cucumbers

2166
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:23,679
and butch and i i guess we can talk

2167
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,520
about the ufo sightings as well we're

2168
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:27,040
getting right butch

2169
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,120
yes sir hell yeah let's talk about it

2170
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,880
all yeah like

2171
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:33,120
northern lancaster county some strange

2172
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,400
stuff going on

2173
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:38,000
well well what yeah paranormal we got it

2174
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,320
all

2175
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:40,239
it's a kind of a menagerie here on

2176
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,520
arcane radio

2177
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:43,199
you can check us out every week

2178
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:44,639
wednesday nights

2179
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:47,679
10 p.m eastern uh live

2180
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,320
shows posted in live shows archive shows

2181
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:52,239
posted usually on fridays

2182
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,760
apparently we have some catching up to

2183
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:56,560
do but uh yeah you know it's it's a

2184
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,760
three-man team

2185
01:22:02,310 --> 01:21:59,440
uh we do the best we can we don't have

2186
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,320
any fancy outlets or producers we just

2187
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,040
uh you know as soon as i can get my

2188
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,040
hands going and my ears going editing

2189
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:13,110
i hate it i really do well we have a

2190
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,400
clean show

2191
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:16,400
it doesn't it's not a whole lot this

2192
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,520
one's not going to be bad

2193
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,199
this one's going to be easy to just put

2194
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,600
out there so uh

2195
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,360
yeah it all depends on how foul we

2196
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,960
decided no i'm kidding

2197
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:27,040
on how it's going and of course you know

2198
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,560
new episode of the nocturnal journal

2199
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,000
will be dropping soon

2200
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,760
i got to edit that one still in the

2201
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:33,920
process uh what do you guys got what

2202
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,080
would you like to plug shamelessly

2203
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:38,000
i got a train coming i know that i hear

2204
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:39,520
him down down

2205
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,470
yeah as first you got that got on the

2206
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:46,480
radio i think yeah it is i was like what

2207
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:47,600
the hell was it

2208
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:49,600
it's that loud i mean it's pretty

2209
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:51,840
remarkable and i live

2210
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:54,400
i don't know i'm about 200 yards away

2211
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:55,840
from the track

2212
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:58,159
and uh it's loud they come they come

2213
01:23:03,270 --> 01:22:59,600
through here are hell and i mean

2214
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:03,280
even even it's a small town i live in

2215
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:05,360
and the ambulance and fire trucks come

2216
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:06,880
through here like

2217
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,470
you know i moved away from i moved away

2218
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,239
from the city i thought geez

2219
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,880
it's going to be quiet not quite anymore

2220
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not your lifelong

2221
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,159
everything follows you everything

2222
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,920
and we'll talk more about that on other

2223
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:28,000
programs no but i don't know

2224
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,360
i don't know well good yeah it should be

2225
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:33,679
an interesting show next week uh

2226
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:36,480
i mean we don't have a whole lot to to

2227
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:36,960
to go

2228
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,239
over as far as new information uh

2229
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,480
on the todd sea's case but there's some

2230
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,239
there but you know what i'm talking

2231
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:45,920
about it every once in a while never

2232
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:48,320
hurts to keep yeah

2233
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:51,920
absolutely i mean you know butch and i

2234
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,239
are you know we're still working out the

2235
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:56,159
theories and every once in a while

2236
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,719
somebody

2237
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,760
will come up with something else and

2238
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,440
we'll go back and start looking at it

2239
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,760
again but you know it's not like it was

2240
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,520
when we were

2241
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,280
trying to you know butchers out there

2242
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,960
like every day he was getting all kinds

2243
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,480
of stuff we were trying to

2244
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,880
we were on the phone for hours and hours

2245
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:14,480
all those days just trying to figure out

2246
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:15,199
what the hell

2247
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,000
was going on but yeah it's um

2248
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:22,560
you know it there there there is some

2249
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:24,159
workable theory there

2250
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,000
that isn't too outrageous but you know

2251
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,679
i guess that's that's a matter of

2252
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,199
interpretation whoever

2253
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,360
listens to it and they you know they can

2254
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,120
uh they can think what they want

2255
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,840
but um yeah and and we're gonna talk

2256
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,440
about all kinds of different stuff so it

2257
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,280
should be an interesting show

2258
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,960
all right butch give folks your website

2259
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:45,840
where they can check you out

2260
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:49,280
uh it's you4cop.com you4cop.com and of

2261
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,760
course lawn

2262
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,280
phantomsandmonsters.com and check me out

2263
01:24:56,590 --> 01:24:55,120
on theforkchop.net

2264
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:56,600
folks you can always go to

2265
01:25:03,110 --> 01:24:59,760
arcaneradio.com follow us on facebook

2266
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,120
and twitter at arcane radio i'm shawn

2267
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:05,120
forker he's launched strickler that's

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01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,800
butch watkowski we'll see you next week